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FeedbacK on Colorado Church Shooting

Reprinted from a friend's email to me:

For those of you who don't have much chance to surf the web due to other inteferences, e.g., earning a living to feed the family....

Some interesting articles on the church shootings in Colorado.  Seems the killer was taken down by a sharpshooting young lady who was a member of the church and had a Colorado CCW.  Most news stories omitted the CCW part and tried to make it look like the church had it's own private security outfit.  Truth was that this lady got the pastor's approval to have church members with CCWs patrol the church.  She was a former police officer but quit the force some 7 or so years ago, but her training stayed with her.  I wonder how many of us would have reacted under the circumstances.  When was the last time you went out and practiced shooting your carry gun?

Gunman was said to have had an assault rifle, two handguns and a 1,000 rounds of ammo.  Seems like he planned to stay a while in what he probably thought was "a gun free zone," like some of our local malls with the unarmed "rent-a-cops."  I doubt he had "a 1,000 rounds," but he probably had enough to do some real damage.  Even a thousand rounds of .22LR weighs a lot.  At least in this case, the good guys won.

Two interesting points were that "no innocent bystanders were killed by the lady,"  and there was "NO deadly crossfire" killing bystanders.  With some 7,000 people in the church when the gunman came in, he would have had lots of targets.  Our critics always yap about permits holders would shoot wildly and with so many of them shooting , there would be a deadly crossfire, killing even more innocents.  Gee-- didn't happen did it?  I don't know if the links will work but you can give them a try.

Here's a quote from the lady as printed in the Denver Post"

COLORADO SPRINGS — Amid deafening cracks of gunfire, smoke-spewing canisters and the flight of thousands of New Life Church members, Jeanne Assam said God was with her when she shot the gunman and helped her prevent more lives from being lost.

"I saw him, it seemed like the halls cleared out, and I saw him coming through the doors, and I took cover. And I waited for him to get closer. And I came out of cover. And I identified myself. And I engaged him and I took him down," the 42-year-old volunteer church security guard and former law officer said Monday at a news conference in the Colorado Springs police station. "I didn't think it was my sole responsibility. I didn't think about this. It was — it seemed like it was me, the gunman and God."

Deadly Shootings

• Watch the press conference with Jeanne Assam, the security guard who shot Matthew Murray, stopping the rampage at New Life Church
• Watch the law enforcement press conference officially linking the two shootings.
• Read the five-page El Paso County search warrant issued for Matt Murray's car, parked in the lot of New Life Church.
• Discuss the Colorado church and mission shootings.
• View a slide show from the Arvada shooting.
• View a slide show from the Colorado Springs shooting.
• Watch a report about police searching for a link in deadly shootings.
• Watch video: five killed in shootings at two Colorado religious sites.
• Listen to an audio statement about the shootings from Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter.

The web site "Arms and the Law had these comments:

A comment on a previous thread noted that the person whose shots stopped the mass killer at New Life Church was actually a church member with a CCW permit, not a hired guard, and that the media is spinning the story so as to make it appear she was the latter. I did a bit of checking, and that appears to be the case.

This story from CNS news reports:

"Many people are expressing relief that a volunteer security guard used her own gun to stop a man on a shooting spree Sunday. "She probably saved over 100 lives," the Brady Boyd, the pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, said on Monday. The female guard, a church member dressed in plain clothes, killed the gunman after he opened fire at the mega-church."

UPDATE: Ahab has confirmed the lady who brought down the killer was not a church employee, and was carrying her personal gun.

But the AP coverage describes her as "a member of the church's armed security staff" and "the security guard." Since it quotes the pastor much the same way as the CNS story does, it sounds like a report on the same interview or conference. And the Rocky Mtn News describes her as "a church security officer."

Mike Hukabee knowingly lied about Mormonism?

He performed the wedding ceremony of my sister-in-law. I had an opportunity to duck hunt with him. He seemed like a nice guy. But he said it best himself, "Liars figure and figures lie."

Being an ordained Baptist Minister, he knows better than misleading people on the truth about the statement that "Satan is Jesus's Brother". The following blog defends Huckabee shamelessly.

The fallowing is blatantly false. Ask yourself WHY?

Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee caught flack for asking, "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?" Why can't anyone give a straightforward answer [ Response is entirely clear and correct. What is so hard to understand or misleading about this statement? Nothing] In response to Huckabee's question, LDS Church spokeswoman Kim Farah is quoted as saying that such a question is usually raised by those who wish to smear the Mormon faith rather than clarify doctrine. She goes on to say: "We believe, as other Christians believe and as Paul wrote, that God is the father of all...That means that all beings were created by God and are his spirit children. Christ, on the other hand, was the only begotten in the flesh and we worship him as the son of God and the savior of mankind. Satan is the exact opposite of who Christ is and what he stands for." (As quoted by AP correspondent Libby Quaid.) This is a very predictable LDS response to questions such as this: sidestep it, label it as a "smear", and then give a misleading, incomplete "clarification." Republican candidate Mitt Romney, also responded to this question, and went so far as to suggest that that it did not accurately represent what Mormonism teaches (Hannity and Colmes, December 12, 2007.) The problem is, the simple answer to Huckabee's question is "Yes." Mormonism does teach this doctrine. Period. [So does the Bible in the book of Revealations. But Huckabee has skewed this belief for his own apparently dishonest purposes. You judge.] The LDS publication "Gospel Principles", a straightforward presentation of Mormon doctrine, says this directly in chapter 3, pp. 17 and 18: Our Father said, "Whom shall I send?" Two of our brothers offered to help. Our oldest brother, Jesus Christ, who was then called Jehovah, said, "Here am I, send me." ... Satan, who was called Lucifer, also came, saying, "Behold, her am I, send me..." ...After hearing both sons speak, Heavenly Father said, "I will send the first." (See full Gospel Principles text online.) It references the account in Abraham 3:27 from the Pearl of Great Price, one of the LDS standard works of scripture. [The following statement is blantant propaganda. It is not true.] In addition, the LDS church spokeswoman grossly misrepresented Christian beliefs in an attempt to minimize the distinctiveness of this doctrine. Christians do not believe that Christ is a created being or a spirit child of God. Rather, Jesus is himself the Creator from eternity past. Therefore Christians are offended when Christ and Satan are presented in any way as ever having been peers. [ following is a malicious lie, as the doctrine comes directly from the New Testement ion the Bible.] is important to note that this doctrine of Jesus and Satan being brothers is best understood in the broader context of the Mormon doctrine of pre-existence, which states that all of us (that is, all humans, angels, Jesus, Satan, the demons, etc.) are the literal "spirit children" of God the Father, born (ostensibly to a heavenly Mother) in heaven prior to our existence on Earth. So in this sense, Jesus and Satan are brothers, just as we are their brothers and sisters. This, however, is in conflict with the way not only Jesus is portrayed in the Bible, but the way humanity is portrayed, as well. [ is a lie] recent furor in the news serves to illustrate something that Living Hope Ministries holds as absolutely essential and something that cannot be compromised: the identity and nature of Jesus Christ. [What a farse. What a lie] [Those who lie in the name oif Christ would seem to not only be disinginuous, but on very thin ice with their Maker indeed.] Want to know more about Mormonism? Check out our DVDs! All our documentaries are also available as online video! Are you LDS? Free video offer! Note: Living Hope Ministries does not endorse any political candidate nor seek to influence the outcome of any political campaign or election.
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